PHILONOUS Greetings, dear friend.
What are you pondering about so lonely in this beautiful park?
HYLAS Ah, that is you? I am glad to see
you. Last night I worked hard to develop an idea which promises
infinitely much to mankind.
PHILONOUS What kind of precious idea
is that?
HYLAS I arrived at the conviction (which
actually is certainty) that people will some time achieve immortality.
PHILONOUS Do I get this right? How is
that, you are not unfaithful to materialism which you have hitherto
lectured on, do you?
HYLAS Never. My idea does not collide
with materialism, on the contrary, it necessarily follows from
it.
PHILONOUS I am all ears. Do explain,
my friend.
HYLAS As you know, nothing exists beyond
matter. These clouds, these autumn trees, this pale yellow sun,
we finally - these are all material objects, that is, collections
of atoms; the various properties of the objects, however, are
due to the difference in their atomic structures. Because those
are the same oxygen, carbon, or iron atoms, whether they are in
stones, leaves, or in our blood. Those formations differ solely
by their construction, by the different positions of their particles,
that is, by their structure. Therefore one can say quite generally
that there are only atoms and their structures. Hence I posed
myself the question what is the reason that I still feel to be
the same Hylas which used to play here as a little boy, despite
all the years which passed in the meantime. Is this feeling of
individual identity - I am asking myself - caused by the identity
of the building material of my body, i.e., the atoms of which
it is composed? But it cannot be like this. For we know through
science that the atoms of our bodies are constantly replaced owing
to the meals and drinks that we take and the air that we breathe.
Bone, nerve, and skin cells continuously exchange their atoms
so fast that after a couple of weeks all material particles which
made up my organism can be found floating in the waves of a river
or in a cloud; nonetheless I continue to exist and I feel the
continuity of my personality. What is this due to? Surely not
my unchanged atomic structure. Just take into consideration that
the new atoms of my body are not the same which were there a month
ago, they are, however, of the same kind, and that is quite enough.
Thus I posit: The identity of my existence depends on the identity
of my structure.
PHILONOUS Agreed. And then?
HYLAS In the future people will make
better and increasingly true copies of the atomic structures of
all material products of the Creation. Today already they are
able to produce artificial diamonds or sapphires, artificial urea
and even artificial, synthetic protein. Some day they will undoubtedly
master the art of building, first, the molecules of the living
body, then the body itself - from atoms. In this moment they achieved
immortality, because they will be able to bring back to life every
deceased, through perfect arrangement of atoms according to the
structure which his body showed in his lifetime. This process
of resurrection will take place - as I see it - in a machine which
is fed with the appropriate scheme, a kind of a building plan,
i.e., the structural formula of a particular human according to
which the machine makes protein molecules, cells, tendons, nerves
from atoms - and then this human leaves the machine, bright and
cheery and perfectly healthy. Now, what do you think about it?
PHILONOUS I say that one has to discuss
the problem from all sides.
HYLAS Is there anything else to discuss?
We are not able to build such a machine yet, but the progress
of science makes us certain that it will be built some time, and
it is not important to us philosophers if this will happen in
thousand or a million years. As I said before, there is nothing
in nature beyond atoms and their structures. In particular, there
is no immortal soul which, leaving the dead, will waft away to
the kingdom come. Consequently, someone mastering the art of rearranging
the atoms of bodies long decayed according to their structure
will be able, eo ipso, to recall these bodies to life with
their original shape and functions. But he who has reconstructed
the body of a deceased person from atoms - will cause his presence
in the prime of his life, although that person had been borne
to his grave centuries ago ...
PHILONOUS You think so? Excellent. Do
you mind me asking a few questions in order to investigate the
specifics of your machine which recalls to life from atoms, and
would you give me some answers?
HYLAS I do happily agree.
PHILONOUS Great. Imagine, Hylas, that
you have to die today, because you are in power of a tyrant who
has taken the irrevocable decision to kill you, and who has all
possible means to do so. The time of your execution is seven o'clock
in the morning. At six, i.e., right now, you go for your last
walk before death, tortured by sorrow and fear, and you meet me
and tell me about your misfortune.
Are you ready to take this starting point for our disputation
of this fictitious situation, in which you are sentenced to death,
whereas I am - your friend, willing to help you, being at the
same time the inventor of the machine which can resurrect from
atoms?
HYLAS I am ready. Speak.
PHILONOUS My poor Hylas, you have to
die, oh dear, that is terrible! But you are a materialist, aren't
you?
HYLAS That is true.
PHILONOUS That is very convenient. I
have just finished the construction of that machine about which
we have talked so much recently. The copies which I make by it's
means are indistinguishable from the originals. Not only are the
mortal remains of the human which is composed from atoms
by my machine identical to those of the original, he has, furthermore,
all mental properties of the latter; to give an example, I just
want to mention the memory - as you know, it is based on certain
individual features of the brain structure. My machine delivers
a copy of the structure of the brain which is precise to the tiniest
details, hence incorporating also memories of events in the past
and the thoughts, recollections, and wishes involved. In a word,
dear Hylas, when you fall victim to violence and die in an hour,
then, before your mortal remains are cold, I will turn on the
machine and build a living, thinking Hylas from the same atoms
which make up your body now. I guarantee that. Well, what do you
say, are you happy?
HYLAS Yes, sure, of course. You just
have to investigate my atomic structure and then enter it to the
machine.
PHILONOUS Naturally. But, my friend,
may I still increase your certainty to survive death? You know
me, believe in my words, my affirmations, but human deeds are
frail, so certainty is imperative here. Hence please let me create
that Hylas, which is intended to be your continuation, right now.
He will await your death, and when you have died, I will celebrate
the resurrection together with him, that is, with you.
HYLAS What are you talking about, Philonous?
PHILONOUS You have got that right: To
increase your certainty, I will make your copy already now ...
HYLAS But that's nonsense!
PHILONOUS But why?
HYLAS This would be a totally separate,
different person!
PHILONOUS You think so?
HYLAS Yes, how else could it be? This
person can and will be infinitely similar to me, everybody will
take him for me, he will have the same sensations that I have,
the same wishes and propensities, even the work that I started,
he will be able to finish in my spirit, but this will not be me!
This will be a double, a twin, so to speak, but I will die forever!
PHILONOUS Where do you take this certainty?
HYLAS Well, from the fact that, if you
create him on the spot and he will be among us, I will speak of
him as "he", like of any other person, and that I will
see him who externally looks like myself - and still he will be
another person, separate from me, different, like everybody, and
the fact that we are as alike as two peas cannot sweeten death
for me. Obviously, for those living on, for my friends, my relatives,
he will be a perfect illusion of my existence, but I - will die
and not live.
PHILONOUS Where this certainty?
HYLAS You cannot have the slightest doubt
in this matter, Philonous, you just want to put me to the test.
Nevertheless, if I picked up this moist, dead leaf from the ground
and gave it to this "second Hylas", assuming he stood
here with us, so it would be him who would inhale its sharp and
pleasant scent, but not me. And things would be similar after
my death, since due to my decease nothing would change with him,
nothing new would occur. He will continue to exist in this world,
enjoy its beauty, I on the other hand will completely cease to
exist.
PHILONOUS So? Well, what should we do
then? Tell me what I should do with the machine to ensure your
resurrection?
HYLAS That is quite simple. You just
have to create my living and thinking copy after my death.
PHILONOUS You really think so?
HYLAS Yes.
PHILONOUS The copy made after
your decease will be identical to you, the one made before your
death will not, though it will be person which is similar to you
beyond measure, but still somebody else? But where, then, is the
difference between these two persons? Please explain that to me.
HYLAS First, the one created before my
decease would be able to see me, like I saw him; he will know
that I perish while he was just created, he will ...
PHILONOUS If this is your only problem,
this I can change: The copy will be asleep in both cases thanks
to a sleeping draught, and will awake only after your decease,
such that he will know neither about the unpleasant circumstances
of your death, nor about the way he first saw the light of day.
HYLAS No, it's not about that. As I see,
I was not cautious enough, Philonous. One has to approach this
problem with the sharp instrument of reason. Immediately after
my death, when I ceased to exist, there will be no method in the
whole world by which one could ascertain that this is not me,
but merely my copy. Agreed?
PHILONOUS That's right.
HYLAS If, however, you had made the copy
earlier, then it would be easy to determine that it is not identical
to me, because the copy would exist along with me, in a different
location. Consequently this would be a coexistence which ipso
facto excludes continuation. Yes, now I see where the mistake
is. The copy made after my decease that's me, the one made before
my death - that is a different, separate person. Don't say that
you can arbitrarily choose the moment of his creation, such that
there will eventually be only a millionth part of a second between
my resurrection and the creation of a double. Don't say that,
since although the things seem strange, they must be like that.
A special situation has special consequences.
PHILONOUS Well. You are saying that a
copy which was assembled prior to your decease will be a totally
separate person, associated to you merely by extraordinary resemblance.
A copy, on the other hand, which was made after your decease will
be your continuation, i.e., you yourself, right?
HYLAS Yes.
PHILONOUS Would you mind telling me what
is the difference between these copies?
HYLAS The moment at which they were created.
A parallel existence of me and the copy excludes continuation,
but its existence in time after me, after my decease, makes it
possible.
PHILONOUS The existence of the copy after
your decease makes your continuation possible? Excellent. So hear
now what kind of death the tyrant has destined for you. You shall
empty a cup of lethal poison. The agony will last one hour. When
should I get the machine going?
HYLAS When I completely stopped living.
PHILONOUS If I then made your copy
it would be your continuation, i.e., you?
HYLAS If it has been made after my death,
it will.
PHILONOUS Excellent. If, however, the
malicious tyrant ordered his medics to resuscitate you, who has
died from the poison, by inserting a quill into your throat and
giving you an antidote, then what? The copy which the machine
made after your death was - as you yourself said - you. Does this
copy suddenly cease to be you, now that you have been resuscitated,
and does it suddenly become a totally separate person?
HYLAS How could this be possible, resuscitating
me, a dead person?
PHILONOUS That would certainly be easier
than building a machine which revives people from atoms. Are we
discussing technical or philosophical details, my dear Hylas?
Is it somehow impossible in principle to bring a newly deceased
person back to life? Are surgeons not able to resuscitate someone
who died in the operating room, today already? You don't know
about this? Please tell me what is the matter with the copy which
already was your continuation, what happens to it at the moment
when you come back to life due the action of the antidote? Maybe,
however, it will not be you who will awake in your original body,
but someone completely different?
HYLAS Impossible. It is totally clear
that I will come back to life in the body which the tyrant had
deprived of life by means of that poison. At that moment the copy
will necessarily cease to be my continuation.
PHILONOUS You think so? Think about it,
Hylas. Can you imagine that actually you are that copy? Well,
let us assume that I show you the machine and tell you that actually
at this moment you have left its interiors. You obviously feel
like Hylas inch by inch - because the machine has reproduced you
perfectly. Now imagine that "the other Hylas" which
was under the control of the tyrant has been poisoned one hour
ago, and right now the medics have brought him back to life by
means of an antidote. Do you feel any change in your personality
due to that remote event?
HYLAS No.
PHILONOUS You see. The copy is a living,
ordinary person (that follows from the premises), and there can
be no changes in it dependent on what happens to the "original".
If the latter is given a poison or an antidote - the copy is neither
affected nor changed. Thus we can say: Just as there is no causal
relation between you, all the ups and downs of your life, and
that Hylas which has been created by the machine - be it for one
year, for your whole life or only after your decease - in the
same way he is a separate person for you, having nothing in common
with you except for an astonishing resemblance. That your existence
parallel to that of the copy excludes continuation - agreed. Whether,
however, the copy made after your extermination really is you,
and whether such a possibility opens up the chance to come back
to life again - remains to be proven. Up to now everything is
to be said against such an interpretation of the matter.
HYLAS But wait. Strange how you have
complicated things. Look here, my body. When it has died and been
exterminated, then an analogous structure may come into being
in the future .. ah! I've got it. Now I know. To make the copy,
one has to wait until my body stops existing, until its structure
has disappeared completely.
PHILONOUS Consequently the fact if you
will come back to life depends on whether your mortal remains
have properly rotted or not, if I got that right? Hence your resurrection
depends on the rate with which your bones decay. What if the tyrant
orders to embalm you, then you will never live again, am I right?
HYLAS No, damn, you are not! I see that
we have to leave living creatures out of our considerations. Some
disturbing factor - of fear or trouble - seems to be slipping
into statements about humans. Let us discuss the whole matter
using dead objects. I have here a precious cameo, carved from
ivory. Let us assume that I pulverize it to atoms and make an
indistinguishable copy afterwards from these very atoms. What
do things look like, then? I see it like this: If we have agreed
that the copy shall be the continuation of the original, then
it will be like that. If we decide otherwise, then it will not
be the continuation. The decision depends exclusively on our agreement,
for if we investigated the "earlier" and the "later"
cameo, we would be unable to find any difference - since both
are the same ex definitione.
PHILONOUS Finally you shed some light
on the problem. Your last conclusion, applied to humans, goes
like this: When you have died by seven o'clock, and I have reconstructed
you from atoms, you will - depending on what agreement we have
made - continue or not continue to live. Doesn't this seem totally
absurd to you, too? If, however, you had died in the operating
room under the knife of the surgeon, but medicine will be able
to bring you back to life, would you still say that you are living
or not living, depending on the agreement we made?
HYLAS The difficulty, as I see it, is
that with respect to any thing objectively existing around me
an arbitrarily made agreement (convention) decides about the problem
of continuation. If, however, I subject myself to an analogous
experiment, the mere completion of a convention leads to nothing
but nonsense. I do not understand why this happens. For humans
are material objects as well as a rock, a flax fiber, or a piece
of metal!
PHILONOUS I will show you the source
your confusion springs from. When we embark upon creating the
continuation of any object, we are at the same time choosing concrete
criteria which decide if there really is a continuation, i.e.,
if one and the same object continues to exist now the way it did
in the past. Hence when we define the state of the matter we choose
implicite (sometimes explicite) the methods which
serve to determine this state. My consciousness, however, is directly
given to me, and the method which has to determine at this moment
whether I am conscious does not depend on me absolutely. Other
people can treat me as an object and make agreements concerning
my possible existence after my death and my reconstruction from
atoms. I am the only one, however, who is not able to act in this
way. This is about a general, methodological problem. An arbitrary
body reveals to us its various properties depending on which method
we apply to investigate it. The human consciousness, however,
reveals itself to its owner in the most direct, original, obvious
way, without the application of any method or - if you like -
through "the same method" for all conscious, normal
humans. One can entertain the most serious doubt concerning the
structure and formation mechanism of consciousness, but there
is no denying its existence in identical form in any given individual.
HYLAS You know what? I think you are
asking me the wrong questions. The whole problem is inappropriately
posed since it comes down to an argumentum ad hominem.
You ask me about future things that I have to think up since nobody
has experienced them yet. And that's not all: Essential here are
only my premortal statements, because when I have died, and you
are questioning the copy made in the machine after my death if
he is me, so he will of course answer in the affirmative, will
claim to be Hylas, the same which has had this conversation here
with you. So everything I have said about the future which is
supposed to begin after my death and the restoration of my body
from atoms, but, above all, everything about the question if I
will or will not continue to live, all this, dear Philonous, are
only my subjective ideas, expectations, thoughts, anticipations,
doubts, and nothing else.
PHILONOUS How am I supposed to understand
this? So the machine does not bring the dead back to a new life?
HYLAS This I did not say. I do not know
how things stand. But there is no scientific proof here for anything.
No decisive experiment can be performed since when questioned,
the copy will claim to be me, and there is and will
be no way of finding out if he is merely a double. Hence if one
intends to stick to empirical science then one has to declare
the whole problem an apparent one, now and forever, and my statements
or those of other persons can one give evidence for certain peculiarities
of the human mind, but they say nothing about future events. If
it still seems that they do, though, then this is language abuse,
and nothing else. Yes, Philonous, it is an apparent problem, I
am sure about this now.
PHILONOUS You are right, there is no
empirical solution to that problem. Since even if we had that
machine here in front of us, if you were ready to do the experiment
and woke up again after your execution, it would remain uncertain
if it were you who rose from the dead, or only a person who is
similar-looking, a twin, as it were. Here we face the logically
exact case of an alternative: either the copy is the continuation
of the original, or it is not. Each contingency - if we assume
one of them is true - leads to certain conclusions. If these conclusion
lead to logical contradiction, we have to discard them, together
with the resolution of the alternative by which is was produced.
In this way we will discover the possibility which is free of
logical contradiction, and take it for the one which corresponds
to reality with certainty. In any case, it is no apparent problem,
in my opinion. An apparent problem is a problem which does not
exist at all. If the aforementioned problem does not exist, you
have no reason to worry about the things that will happen at the
seventh hour due to the plans of the cruel tyrant.
HYLAS You are joking, Philonous, the
problem, however, is serious and deserves objective consideration.
Being sentenced to death I'm worrying since my fixed execution
is a fact which is supposed to happen, and not an apparent problem,
the possibility of resurrection which I have demonstrated and
which was accepted as unshakable, on the other hand, contains
mysteries which are hitherto not understood, let alone unriddled
by anybody. Let us try to investigate the problem of continuation
using humans as an example. Suppose there is some human X, and
in his lifetime we use the machine to create a copy called X'.
X and X' have the same feeling of their identity, and the have
the same memories stored. When questioned, one will answer that
he has experienced the same things as the other one. In reality,
however, only X has experienced what he is talking about, whereas
it is only illusions to X'. Hence not only the atomic structure,
but also the genetic connection of the present structure to the
preceding structure is giving evidence about the identity of a
human. In this way we have saved the concept of identity for our
investigations, by making the genetic element part of that concept.
This identity can be called genetic identity according
to Lewin.
PHILONOUS I listened to your train of
thought with great pleasure, dear friend, however I think it did
not contribute to the solution of our question, but on the contrary
- it lead us farther away from it.
HYLAS And may I ask why?
PHILONOUS First of all you try to show
in a different manner than before that continuation is impossible
under the condition of coexistence. Second you demand that we
acknowledge the concept of genetic identity as imperative for
the proof of continuation. But this is just what makes the functioning
of the machine impossible, for what are the consequences? If the
tyrant gives order to his thugs to hold your mouth shut for a
certain time, you have to die. Some scholar, obsessed with your
doctrine of genetic identity, will claim after a careful examination
of the body that the deceased is genetically identical with Hylas,
that he is the continuation of Hylas, it's just that this continuation
is not alive any more. In this way he will undoubtedly discover
a true fact, but not quite the very latest one, namely that a
dying person is about to become a deceased, and that this deceased
is the same person, just not alive any more, but this discovery
will not provide the slightest help in shedding some light on
this matter. You yourself gave up the postulate of genetic identity
at the beginning of our talk when you rightly remarked that it
is not the conservation of the same atoms, but the preservation
of the same structure which decides if one feels to be a homogeneous
personality. Suppose the thugs cut your hands off, the machine
however creates new, living hands for you, which naturally grow
on your arms. Will you continue to be yourself?
HYLAS Of course.
PHILONOUS And now the thugs cut off your
head, but I can successfully create a copy of your body by means
of the machine, and that copy in turns grows on your head. Will
it be you who returns to life in this way, or just your double?
HYLAS I myself.
PHILONOUS And if I make a complete copy
with all the limbs after your death, it will not be you anymore?
HYLAS Wait! A new thought occurs to me.
A little while ago you were talking about the procedure of carrying
out observations, i.e., about methods that we choose to establish
whether or not there is continuation of an object. This observation
has to be continuous, hasn't it? Only such a method is natural
and appropriate.
PHILONOUS Not at all. Every one of us
who is retiring to bed after a hard day is sometimes sinking into
such a deep sleep that he is actually losing consciousness of
his existence. However, when you awake in the morning, you now
with certainty that you are the same Hylas that went to bed the
evening before, despite this break.
HYLAS Yes, indeed. You are right. But
listen, isn't it true that we pay too much attention to the expectations
of a person who has to die? Maybe the problem disappears all by
itself if the person does not know anything about his sudden death?
Well, that man goes to bed and has no foreboding. When he is overcome
by sleep we kill him and put a sleeping atomic copy on his bed.
When it/he awakens, couldn't we say then that a continuation has
been created, that this is the same person who went to bed the
evening before, and that this is the whole truth?
PHILONOUS My dear Hylas, it's been a
long time since I heard so many thoughts coming from you which
are so full of logical mistakes. First of all, certainly unconsciously
- I do not want to assume anything else - you made clear that,
if we murder someone in his sleep or - more generally speaking
- in such a state which prevents him from suspecting anything
about his imminent murder, that we will cause less harm to him
than in the case when he is conscious of his near end. I will
pass over that problem in silence since it belongs to ethics.
Secondly I begin to suspect that you are guided by totally irrational,
metaphysical fears. For some obscure reasons it seems to you that
a copy - which has been made after the death of a person - has
to be as close as possible to the place where that person ceased
to exist. In the case that you mentioned, going to the same bed
and falling asleep should allegedly provide the best conditions
for a successful "switching" of the personal self from
one body to the other, from the one that ceased to exist to the
one which begins to exist. That is a sign of the irrational belief
that the "self" is a unified whole, an indivisible,
irreducible entity, and that self has to be transferred from one
body to another, which is an archetypal metaphysical interpretation,
which couldn't be any purer. It is, however, not important whether
or not the circumstances that are created by the external situation
correspond to our naive ideas, like, for example, the spatial
proximity between the deceased and and the copy, the state of
unconsciousness (I think you referred to the case of the operating
room and you tried to make the situation similar to that one),
but it's all about using the tools of logic to develop hypotheses
which are equally valid under all special circumstances in which
a resurrection from atoms is conceivable at all. That would be
a poor theory of gravitation which was valid only for apples falling
down to earth, but was totally helpless with respect to peas or
moons. What do you think about the following future perspective?
Everyone who is leaving for a dangerous expedition to the stars
leaves his atomic "personal description". As soon as
the message arrives that he died on the expedition, his family
switches on the machine, and the deceased steps out of it, healthy
and in good spirits, to everybody's delight. Now, if that man
had died in the flames of Sirius, would you still say that the
copy is the continuation of the deceased, or does the large distance
between the places of death and resurrection deter you from such
an explanation?
HYLAS True, since there is no principal
difference between my case and yours, concerning the essence of
re-creation, we have to say that the copy is a continuation.
PHILONOUS You really think so? But what
if the message turns out to be wrong, and the one who had left
for the journey returns healthy and unscathed, then what?
HYLAS Then it will of course turn
out that the family was wrong and that the man made by the machine
is just an imitation, a copy, i.e., a double.
PHILONOUS So what does the authenticity
of continuation depend on? On the fact whether the news of the
person's death was accurate or not?
HYLAS Yes.
PHILONOUS So what correlation is there
between some information coming in from the stars, and the structure
of a person who comes out of a machine in which he was assembled
from atoms? Between that information and his thoughts, his whole
personality? None. Right?
HYLAS None, indeed.
PHILONOUS So how can that which has no
connection to the person and personality of someone decide whether
he is the same who set out for the stars, or just similar, a completely
other person, a double existing in parallel to the former?
HYLAS Actually, I don't know. Please,
dear friend, let me try to approach the problem in a different
manner. When you have made a copy of someone after his death,
you can call it his continuation, or you can decide not to do
so, the argument is just about words, because the fact remains
the same: That person continues to exist and to live. It is the
same as arguing if I am still the same person that I was yesterday,
or if yesterday's "self" is already gone. You cannot
solve this problem with words, nor can you decide whether the
copy is "the same person" or just "a similar one".
The difference is irrelevant because it does not change the hard
fact, the actual existence. Therefore this alternative is only
an apparent one.
PHILONOUS An apparent alternative? So
we have no alternative at all? How is this possible? But there
can only be one single way things can possibly stand: Either
you get killed by the hand of the tyrant, and Nothingness will
engulf you for all eternity, in this case your copy would only
be an almost identical twin who perfectly replaces your loss to
everybody, but you yourself will never exist again - or you
yourself will open your eyes again, thanks to the machine,
you will see the sky, the friend, hear the song of the birds and
inhale the sweet zephyr into your lungs. Is there another, third
solution?
HYLAS I do not know. Possibly yes. Might
I think aloud? As long as a man lives, his continuation is impossible.
Agreed?
PHILONOUS Parallel to him - it is impossible.
Agreed.
HYLAS When he ceases to exist, his continuation
becomes possible - for the whole world. That much is certain.
But for him ...? I think we have an abuse of grammar here, because
if we say, or ask, if "for him" a continuation is possible,
then we are talking about a dead person, a dead person however
is someone who is not there anymore, who stopped existing, as
if he had never existed - since perished are his sensations, his
consciousness, his memories, and so on. Therefore this is a case
of improper use of the syntax.
PHILONOUS Well, you're a fine one. You
want to blame it on the syntax? But I am not discussing with a
deceased, but with you, if only a few minutes before you will
turn into a deceased. Wait a minute. You have mentioned previously
that one cannot decide with words only if you were still the same
as yesterday, or if yesterday's self is gone already. I do not
see the slightest difficulty to decide this problem. If I ask
you where your garment of yesterday is, you understand by that
the garment which you wore yesterday, don't you?
HYLAS Yes.
PHILONOUS A garment is no more, no less
material than you are, therefore in this material sense the Hylas
of yesterday still exists today. Concerning your subjective emotions,
however, that were on your mind yesterday, there is no problem
either. Today I do not see a certain crease in garment any more
that had formed there yesterday when you were sitting on the threshold
of your house for a while. A very careful investigation of the
garment, however, would certainly permit to detect some displacement
of molecules in the fabric which was caused by you pressing a
crease into it yesterday. This displacement could be called, only
metaphorically of course, the "memory" of the crease.
Now you see that all objects - including our bodies interpreted
as objects - which existed yesterday continue to exist today.
Our impressions, however - more generally speaking, yesterday's
states of our consciousness -, exist exclusively in our memory,
and the only marks they are leaving are certain changes of the
brain's molecular structure which constitute the memory. As you
can see, things can be perfectly explained, we just have to be
very careful as to what meanings we ascribe to words. Both the
sentence "my self of yesterday still exists" and the
sentence "my self of yesterday does not exist" are in
accordance with truth, namely in the following way: If you interpret
"yesterday's self" as my material, visible body, then
I exist as the one I was yesterday. If, however, you interpret
"yesterday's self" as the complex of thoughts and feelings
which were present in my consciousness yesterday, than we cannot
ascribe an actual, current existence.
HYLAS I admit that I was wrong. But please
tell me of what use your train of thoughts is to our problem?
PHILONOUS Of no use. Because objectively
the copy - after making an agreement - either is the continuation
of the original, or it is not, if we make a different agreement
and choose other methods to check the state of affairs. The whole
problem, however, is based on the fact that we have to decide
on its subjective property, i.e., we have to determine if one
can logically deduct that after a re-creation of the brain from
atoms the consciousness of the deceased to which this brain once
belonged will come to life again, or if this train of thought
is leading to logical contradiction.
HYLAS Yes, you are right. That's were
the error is hidden. We continue taking the subjective interpretation
of the matter for the objective one. If the whole experiment cannot
be objectively performed, logic cannot get it under control, and
our considerations are futile.
PHILONOUS You think so? Well, Hylas.
I will now change the modus operandi . It will become completely
objective. This will at the same time remove the dilemma which
results from the simultaneity or non-simultaneity of re-creation.
Don't you think this would considerably elucidate and simplify
the problem?
HYLAS I can gladly say that I agree with
you. So please, speak on, my friend, I am listening.
PHILONOUS I will not examine one more
person, I will not torment your soul which seems scared to death
with questions that would be quite inappropriate under the prevailing
circumstances, the only thing I will do is this: First I will
kill you, then I will make a copy of you, not only one, dear Hylas,
but infinitely many, to be sure. Because when you have died (and
you have only five minutes left to live) and I make numerous copies
of your person, then you will exist as a multitude of Hylasses,
as an incalculable multitude, since I promise you that I will
not stop until I populated all planets, suns, stars, moons, spheres,
and celestial bodies with Hylasses, and that's because of the
love that I feel for you. What do you think about that? Could
you become omnipresent in the universe this way, you alone?
HYLAS That would be very strange. Is
there a logical contradiction in it?
PHILONOUS I didn't say that, you have
to find out for yourself. Thousands of Hylasses will live their
life, applying themselves to various occupations and pleasures.
But how is it, will your one self be divided and existing in all
of them at the same time, including them all? Or will all copies
be linked into a single entity by the mysterious ties of a single
personality?
HYLAS That's impossible. Every such individual
must have his private, own, subjective self, it's just similar
to mine.
PHILONOUS Each one - that's what you
are saying - has a self similar to yours? And not the same?
HYLAS Not the same, because then they
were a single human, which is a contradiction.
PHILONOUS Excellent. Each one then has
a similar self as you have, Hylas. And which one of them has the
same as you and represents your continuation? Why are you silent?
What does logic say now?
HYLAS Logic says, no-one. But wait! I
think something has dawned on me. But yes! Of course! Dear friend,
the matter is as follows. Identity is determined not by total
material correspondence, but correspondence of the structure,
as we agreed, didn't we?
PHILONOUS That's true.
HYLAS Concerning the structure, however,
one can say that it is "the same", not just "similar".
Well, I am drawing an equilateral triangle. If I draw a second
one, I can say that both have "the same" structural
property of being equilateral. I can draw many such triangles,
but from a structural point of view they are actually just one
single triangle, repeated many times. In the same way I can say
that all Hylasses which have been created by the machine are actually
"the same" human, being simply repeated x times.
What do you think about that?
PHILONOUS You gave a very clear presentation
of the matter. Do you permit me to create a copy right now already,
while you are still alive?
HYLAS Why that?
PHILONOUS Well, since the copy is no
different person, but simply "the same", and since,
as you said yourself, from a subjective point of view (and this
is the one that it's all about) it is "the same" human
being as yourself, it follows that you - when the tyrant has killed
you, but the copy stays alive - will be alive, since a person
will continue to exist which is "the same" Hylas as
you. Or do you take a different view?
HYLAS So I was wrong? But why? If one
takes only inanimate objects into account, will there arise a
similar dilemma ...?
PHILONOUS Yes, a dilemma will arise,
but we are instantly eliminating it by arbitrarily fixing our
views. Whether or not we are accepting the copy as a continuation
of the original, depends entirely on our agreement. If we deal
with human beings, however, things look different, since here
the phenomenon of consciousness is thwarting our plans. Because
we might take one earthenware mug for another, similar looking
one, or maybe one twin for the other, since we are observing them
from outside, taking them for objects. But one twin will never
take himself for the other one. Just as you cannot "accidentally"
take yourself for your copy which exists parallel to you and was
created by the machine. So what shall we do? The tyrant will arrive
any minute now. Do you know, by the way, what kind of death he
destined for you?
HYLAS You said that I would be poisoned,
but later you talked about strangling.
PHILONOUS Just as an example, just to
illustrate my argumentation, not exactly corresponding to what
he wants to do. You shall suffer a different death. The tyrant
will have your body frozen, until all motions and subtlest oscillations
of the atoms have ceased, until the tissue solidifies, the living
processes stop, the structures have died. Will this mean death
to you, Hylas, when you - included in an ice floe - will be sent
to the bottom of an arctic ocean?
HYLAS Beyond any doubt.
PHILONOUS And if I, your friend, get
the ice floe back from the depths, thaw it and your frozen body
carefully and administer the appropriate medicine such that all
molecules start moving again and you come back to life, what will
then happen? Will it not be you - the way you are standing here,
seeing me in front of these autumn trees - who will be coming
back to life, from your icy prison, from the darkness of non-existence
brought to the bright light of day?
HYLAS Yes, that will be me.
PHILONOUS You do not entertain
the slightest doubt?
HYLAS Not the slightest one.
PHILONOUS And if you are sprayed to atoms
and I rebuild you from these very atoms, will this not be you
any more? And if not, why not? Will your personal self escape
your body, like a bird escaping a cage whose bars are broken?
HYLAS Also in this case, I think, I will
come back to life again.
PHILONOUS You yourself, Hylas, and not
just a person who is infinitely similar to you?
HYLAS Myself.
PHILONOUS Well. And if two copies are
made of you, one from the very same atoms of which your body is
composed now, the other one only from similar atoms, will the
first copy be your continuation, your true self, with the other
one merely being your double?
HYLAS Maybe.
PHILONOUS But these atoms cannot be distinguished
in any possible way. Neither do the copies differ in any way;
so why should one be your continuation, the other, however, a
completely separate person?
HYLAS I do not know. Indeed, the same
or just similar atoms - it seems that it doesn't actually matter.
All atoms are identical, and cannot possibly be distinguished
from each other.
PHILONOUS So both copies would be your
continuation? Or none of them? Why don't you answer? The seventh
hour is drawing closer, and we have to expect the tyrant who is
approaching with his thugs, but you, Hylas, are constantly announcing
different and diametrically opposed opinions, although I offered
you all possibilities of resurrection that a real materialist
can only dream of. Now you are claiming that the problem of your
continued existence depends on an agreement, then again you admit
a multitude of continuations which is totally absurd, now you
say that your resurrection from atoms depends on the rate with
which your body decays, and in this way you go round in circles
all the time. So please tell me your ultimate opinion, dear friend.
The tyrant is already coming closer, I can see, in the distance,
at the end of the avenue, his robe, stained with the blood of
your predecessors. Quick, tell me how I should use the machine
in order to bring you back to life, and tell me if you are convinced
that you will open your eyes again, thanks to the re-creation
from atoms. Will you open your eyes again, dear Hylas? Tell me,
will you ever open your eyes again?
HYLAS Indeed, I do not know anything
any more, dear friend Philonous. I am afraid you did something
terrible, trying to prove per reductionem ad absurdum that
apart from atoms and their structures there is something more,
and that exactly that mysterious "something" renders
the "re-creation" of a human, his resurrection after
death, impossible; since one can only call a similar, but
not the same individual back to life. Should this be the proof
of the existence of the immortal soul, and should it be you who
is the originator of that proof?
PHILONOUS Not at all, dear friend. Per
reductionem ad absurdum I have only demonstrated that the
hypothesis which you tacitly assumed to be an obviously correct
one is untenable, namely that consciousness could be reduced to
atoms or their structures. Consciousness, however, is neither
one, nor the other - quod erat demonstrandum. This does not imply
that is is no material phenomenon. The subject is generally a
very complicated one and deserves an investigation using other,
newer methods. Maybe we will be able to proceed from mere criticism
to positive results by applying the joint knowledge of such seemingly
separate sciences like psychology and the theory of electrical
circuits or thermodynamics and logic. Only such considerations
which include the latest discoveries of science will permit us
to shift the bounds of knowledge - if only by an inch.